Hi, Bill. I love your Maverick blog.
I’m Reed Richter: a 71 yr old ex-academic, retired and living in Chapel Hill, NC. I was an undergrad philosophy major at UNC and did my PhD at UC Irvine. My early work was on decision theory. After teaching at UCI, UNC, and Duke, I moved to Europe. I taught a year in Salzburg, but dropped out of academics to run a family business. Nevertheless I continued to participate in academic philosophy and publish a few more papers.
BV: Small world. I'm a year younger, quit the teaching racket and a tenured position thirty years ago to write philosophy and live an eremitic life in the Sonoran desert; from Southern California, applied for graduate work at U.C. Irvine for the bad reason that a quondam girlfriend had transferred there; was luckily rejected, studied in Salzburg, Boston, and Freiburg; taught at Boston College, University of Dayton, Case Western Reserve University, and Middle East Technical University, Ankara, Turkey. I work and publish in German philosophy, metaphysics, and the philosophy of religion. I know little about decision theory, and I don't call myself a political philosopher. So caveat lector.
My son is now a philosophy major, but he’s totally into anarchism, Hegel, and continental philosophy. I have little interest in that material and can’t help him much there. But he’s writing an honors thesis on Wolff and autonomy and, helping him I ran across your excellent commentary. A couple of comments.
A comment on this point: [The following is from my November 2009 entry Notes on Anarchism II: Wolff on Authority]
According to Robert Paul Wolff, "Every man who possesses both free will and reason has an obligation to take responsibility for his actions . . . ." (In Defense of Anarchism, Harper 1970, 13) Here a question arises: Is it in virtue of my possession of free will and reason that I have the aforementioned obligation? If yes, would Wolff not be inferring an 'ought' from an 'is'? That I am free, and that I possess reason are non-normative facts about me. Taken together they entail that I am capable of taking responsibility for my actions. But how does it follow that I ought to take responsibility of them, that I am morally obliged to? Let's let this query simmer on the back burner for the time being.
Richter: It occurs to me that possessing reason implies being rational. And being rational is implicitly normative, implying oughts. So from the brute facts—I possess reason; I’m rational; in fact above all else, I want a cup of water; and there is a cup of perfectly potable water in front of me—it follows that therefore I ought to drink that cup of water. All things equal, rationality requires maximizing expected utility, generating oughts. Well, at the very least, if one doesn’t want to view rationality as implicitly normative, then that’s a great example of is implying ought. But that’s a trivial point.
BV: I don't follow the above. To possess reason is to possess the capacity to act rationally. I take it that rationality in the means-end sense is at issue. The talk of MEU makes that clear. Suppose an agent exercises his capacity to reason in a given situation: he chooses means conducive to the end he desires to attain. He wants a drink of water; potable water is in front of him, and so he drinks the water. How does normativity come into this? Well, if you want water, and potable water is available, then you ought to drink it. It would be rational in the means-ends sense to drink the water, and irrational in the same sense not to drink it.
But if an ought is thereby generated, it is a mere hypothetical, not a categorical ought. How do we get to the categorical moral obligation to take responsibility for one's actions from the capacity to reason in the means-end sense plus free will?
Hello Mr Vallicella. This isn't related to the post above, so sorry. But I want to ask, what do you think of Existential Inertia? What are the arguments you would present against it?
Generally, this comes to the distinction between existence and essence. I think this has sense, but do you think that one can object it in purely Aristotelian terms?
Posted by: Mariel C | Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 11:32 AM
Mariel C,
Thanks for your interest, but this will have to wait. I am too busy with other projects. Merry Christmas.
Posted by: BV | Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 04:17 AM
It seems to me the sentence 'I ought to drink the water' is a small linguistic trap, since this 'ought' is at an individual level, not the normative 'ought' that corresponds to universal application. There is no moral value or impulse for me to drink the water, it's just that it's very likely that I will do so, based on consideration of my physiological needs, and the fact that my higher brain will (probably) react to the instinctive stimulus to quench my thirst. But that assumes I am not day-dreaming about something that takes my mind off such impulses, or even attempting to prove my own free will by not drinking the water...
Posted by: Thomas Beale | Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 11:05 AM
Thomas,
'I' in this context is not functioning as a first-person singular pronoun referring to Mr Richter, but the way 'one' functions. If one wants water, etc. then one ought, etc.
Posted by: BV | Monday, December 28, 2020 at 07:16 AM
Bill you are apparently using “normative” in a strictly moral sense, which is particularly understandable from a Kantian perspective, deriving the “should” of morality from the purely rational. But I am using “normative,” “should,” and “ought” in a more general sense, common to sociology and certain fields of philosophy, and it’s not strictly moral. For example, it’s common to speak of statistical “norms” in the sense of what’s “normal.” And there is the distinction between descriptive and prescriptive norms: what’s normal behavior vs behavior people should do, even if it’s not the the descriptive norm, e.g. mask wearing. It’s the prescriptive norms that I consider “normative.” In general I consider any “should” or “ought” claim to be normative, regardless of whether the claim expresses a moral “should” vs a non-moral “should.” For example, in playing chess, one says, “you should/ought to have taken the bishop on your last move,” implicitly meaning “given that your goal was to most efficiently win the game, the best move was to take the bishop, and that is what you should have done.” In fact, I take every “should” or “ought” claim to be implicitly elliptical with a hidden reference goal or standard—one supplied by context. So in the context of playing proper chess, “I should keep the white bishop on the white squares.” Yet if I were being attacked, and the white bishop is the only useful object within reach, then perhaps “I should throw the white bishop at the attacker’s face.” In my sense, the moral should is just a special case—a subset—of all shoulds, just a context in which the understood end or goal is to behave morally. Hence, I really don’t distinguish between a hypothetical or conditional should vs a categorical should: in my sense all shoulds are hypothetical and relative to some end. So looking at it this way, a claim that John’s doing x is MEU rational, a factual claim, implies the conclusion that John ought to do x (assuming the end of being MEU ration). So putting a rationality claim in the premise of a valid argument on my view, by definition, imports normativity into the premises.
This conception of normativity also addresses Thomas’ point.
Posted by: Reed Richter | Saturday, January 02, 2021 at 08:48 AM
However, that said, thinking about the matter my way does seem to trivialize the is-ought issue, if one regards the ought as purely moral. Nevertheless I still think is can be derived from ought as follows. Again, consider the following argument:
1. Above all else I want to drink a cup of water asap.
2. There is exactly one cup of water within my reach.
3. Therefore, I ought to drink that cup of water.
Note that there is no mention of “rationality” MEU or otherwise in the premises. Yet if we elliptically understand the ought in the conclusion to be the ought of MEU rationality, then the argument is valid and given the truth of the premises, the truth of the conclusion necessarily follows: ought from is! (But so far not a moral ought.)
Of course what’s going on here is that the premises spell out a circumstance in which by definition MEU rationality requires John to drink that cup of water. Much like:
1. John is an adult man.
2. John is unmarried.
3. Therefore John is a bachelor.
That’s also a valid argument with John’s bachelorhood is implied by the premises, and a new concept not mentioned in the premises is deduced.
But suppose we agree that by definition it’s immoral to gratuitously torture a person for personal pleasure. Now consider the argument:
1. John likes to cause gratuitous pain and suffering to Smith for purely his own pleasure.
2. John’s capturing Smith and involuntarily pulling a tooth in some circumstance C would cause Smith gratuitous suffering.
3. Therefore John ought not to pull Smith’s tooth in C.
Even understanding the ought in the conclusion as purely moral, since like the bachelor case the immorality is by definition established by the premises, that seems to be a clear case of deriving ought from is. Or for Thomas’ sake we can generalize the premises and conclusion so no particular individual is mentioned , )
Posted by: Reed Richter | Saturday, January 02, 2021 at 09:29 AM