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Another rich and erudite meditation, Bill, but if I might approach the issue another way: yes, what you decide does depend on your will, but you do not decide in an ethical void, but in the working out of God's eternal decree (Ephesians 1:11). Is your will free (Erasmus) or in bondage from which only God in Christ can liberate you (Luther)? If the latter, then for all your considerable analytical skill, you cannot fruitfully work through the conceptual issues you raise so breathtakingly. He who sins is a slave to sin (John 8:34) and must regard my biblical citations as so many uncomprehending dodges. He will always feel justified in asking God, post mortem, ‘Sir, why did you not give me better evidence?’ (Bertrand Russell) but not be justified (Romans 1:18-20). You have evidence enough (which justifies always presupposing what that evidence implies). Either you've been given to the Son by the Father, or you have not (John 6:37, 39); if you have, then you hear His voice in His Word (John 10:27); if you have not, you don't. That's the epistemological situation of created image-bearers, which conclusion you have systematically resisted coming to over dozens of essays.

Bill,

I greatly appreciated this restatement of your philosophical position on the question of belief in relation to reason and the will. With time, it has become one that I share, and I find that it has permitted me to have not a lesser but a greater faith. In the many years that I spent searching-- in books, in ritual, in places said to be holy--for certainty, I was always ultimately disappointed, finding myself falling between two poles, one an excessive rationalism and the other an excessive skepticism, each of which overvalued the power of reason to penetrate the great mysteries of our existence. So, thanks for sharing your thoughts once again. This from Pascal seems pertinent:

“One must know how to doubt where necessary, how to be sure where necessary, and how to submit where necessary. Whoever does not do so does not understand the power of reason. There are those who fail against these three principles, either by assuring everything as demonstrative, failing to know themselves in demonstration, or by doubting everything, failing to know where to submit, or by submitting in everything, failing to know where to judge” (Pascal, Pensées, Frag. 204, Sellier, p. 151 [my translation]).

Vito

Vito,

What do you make of Tony's comment above?

Bill,

“What do you make of Tony's comment above?”

I am no philosopher, but I do not make much of it. For one thing, it appears to rely on circular reasoning, i.e., that not only (1) the biblical account of a human Fall but (2) a particular theological understanding of the penalties ensuing from it (the unfree will), is the explanation for our cognitive limitations. Tony is perfectly free to believe (1) and (2), but why should I, you, or anyone else? The truth of both propositions is assumed but not logically or rationally demonstrated; it is a belief, and like all beliefs, it falls short of proof. Further, it appears to deny the existence of an impartial philosophical ground on which human beings, whatever their belief systems, can pursue and advance the search for truth, insisting instead that rationality depends on the acceptance of the Christian worldview. I think that the history of philosophy, to cite just one discipline, reveals the opposite, as in the cases of Augustine, who learned so much from the pagan philosopher Plato and the Neoplatonists or Aquinas from Islamic and Jewish scholars. Both recognized that access to certain truths, whether metaphysical or moral, was open to all men, even by those who denied the ultimate truth, which they affirmed, of Christian revelation.

Vito

Very good, Vito. You and I are in basic agreement. Tony is not engaging what I say but merely opposing it, which he is of course free to do. That is his free decision. He has decided that a certain brand of Christianity is The Answer.

You are right to point out the circularity of his reasoning. This is the main problem with the presuppositional apologetics (deriving from Cornelius van Til, et al.) to which Tony subscribes. The presuppositionalists want a rationally coercive 'knock-down' proof of the existence of God (the God of the Christian Bible as they conceive God to be, with all the Calvinist add-ons) and they think they can get this proof by simply presupposing the existence of God as they conceive God to be. But of course, one cannot prove a proposition by presupposing it.

>>Further, it appears to deny the existence of an impartial philosophical ground on which human beings, whatever their belief systems, can pursue and advance the search for truth, insisting instead that rationality depends on the acceptance of the Christian worldview.<<

That is exactly what they deny. There is no neutral point of view or neutral stance from which one could impartially assess the reasons pro et contra on the God question. For them, the truth of all propositions and the validity of all reasoning presupposes, and thus logically requires, the existence of God (as they conceive him to be). If so, the atheist's reasoning cannot be sound unless God exists, which implies that atheism is false. A point I have repeatedly made, however, is that one cannot validly infer (2) from (1) below:

1) It cannot be true that truth does not exist.

2) It cannot be true that God does not exist.

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